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Arganorh 3 (Old) by Levodoom Arganorh 3 (Old) by Levodoom
Brushes by StarRaven - [link]

Map Textures by Coyotemax - [link]
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:iconakherqursan:
This is great. Midtwaters. :D
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:icontozetre:
Gank! Now using this for a Pathfinder campaign I'm running with some friends. Brilliant stuff.
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:iconlevodoom:
Levodoom Mar 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Knock yourself out, I guess. I don't really mind other people using my maps if it's just with friends and/or for unofficial use, though there are honestly better ways to ask rather than to "gank" a map.
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:icontozetre:
"Honestly better ways to ask"

You're right.

I could, for example, be one of 92 people that downloaded it and then *didn't* leave a comment calling your work "brilliant" and mentioning what specific use the download will be put to.

I think that's what I'll do next time.
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Levodoom Mar 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I never disputed the fact that you decided to at least leave a comment letting me know. I merely thought that if you do indeed leave a comment in regards of personal use of my work, asking first would be nice.

Regardless, you make a fair point about the anonymity of some users. However, I did suggest to people that they click download to see the full image, and although I can't tell if they decided to save the image to their computer after that, I've a feeling that a minority of those actually did. Then again, one can't really tell.

I sense a bit of ill feelings in the air here. That was never the intention, so I apologize if I sounded rude in my original reply.
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:icontozetre:
Right, no offence taken.

You really should consider the implications of posting 5000px images to the net, though, and what "ask for permission" implies about the work and the relationship between the consumer of the art, you, and those whose work you've appropriated or been influenced by. By which I mean, if you want people to ask for permission, you're encouraging people to not share your work with others unless they come to you first. I can link to this work- and I have- but would you rather people share your work around or not share your work around? Because that's the decision you're making when you say you want people to ask your permission.

I, obviously, am _not_ an artist, or at least not in any digitally-communicable form, but I make sure to CC-license anything I post to DA because... well, partly because I don't highly value my camerawork, obviously. But part of it is that I want people to be aware that if they like what they see, and want to share it or reuse it, they can do so _without_ waiting for my explicit permission, because they already have it. I do this because I'm very aware that everything I produce is, as "art," stolen from somewhere else; I steal 10th century viking designs for firestrikers, I steal 8th century design for brooches, I steal 14th century design for armour. But everyone that creates is stealing from their culture, in so far as they're using things without asking for permission. Using blue for water, compass roses, location names like "two rivers," "mistwood," "Ostmere," descriptions like "merchant republic" and "elven kingdom," the idea of using mountains and rivers as territorial boundaries... I'm not saying you're not creative, because you are creative, but your creativity, like mine, is *predicated* on wholesale theft of everything everyone else has ever done.

Taking all of that from everyone else and then saying "you ought to ask my permission to use my work" is making an assertion about the value of your work that is awfully strong. Especially when it's paired with your having made the work available using the easiest tool for the purpose ever invented. It's like putting a couch on the sidewalk and then saying people should ask you before they sit on it, because what gives them the right to assume you meant it for them to sit on?

So what gives you the right to say that people ought to ask before downloading your work for private use, after you've made it available to download for private use?

Not pissed, just curious about your position and philosophy.
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Levodoom Mar 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually, when you put it that way, I see your point quite clearly. I suppose my only excuse is that I haven't really put much thought into it all. Personally I've got this view that nothing is ever original anymore, and I've never really seen my own works as original because in truth they aren't. I don't think I view it as theft, but that's just how I see it. I understand your view on art and to be fair it's fine since that's how you view it. Defining art and what makes an artist will obviously always be a matter of personal opinion on how one does define art themselves. Personally I've never considered myself an artist, or at least not a real one; that depending on what a real artist is defined as.

In the future I'll try to take most of what you've said into consideration, since you do raise some valid points, though your idea that everything (or just most things) is theft is a philosophy that I don't quite share, but I can find it understandable. I know quite a few who view it the same way.

Thanks for clearing this minor mess up sensibly.
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:icontozetre:
/handwave no doubt large portions of my views are complete bullshit, but I strive to keep them internally coherent. Thanks for the politeness.

"Theft" might be a bit strong, but there's few words we have to describe it; piracy, appropriation, influence, etc.
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:iconsupercj:
This continent must be HUGE...
How many continents are there?
Great map, extremely detailed:clap:
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:iconlevodoom:
Levodoom Aug 2, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks!

There are currently seven known continents in Tariel, where Arganorh can be found in the center of the world. Arganorh is actually two continents (Norrhan in the north and Avanor in the south), and the two are mostly referred to as the Twin Continents. Both of these continents are also the smallest, so I guess you kind of get a picture of how large Tariel really is. I mainly put most of my focus on Arganorh, though.

Thanks again for the comment!
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